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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by CLAUDE STEPHENSON</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3311</link>
		<dc:creator>CLAUDE STEPHENSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar experience.  $40K later I had a website but no appreciable sales from the man I hired, so I investigated. He had registered the website to himself and locked me out of it. The business he was bragging about getting did not show in the books, but the company confirmed he had written the policies with them in his own name.

Like you, I dropped the shoe.

He, too, came on the recommendation of a friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience.  $40K later I had a website but no appreciable sales from the man I hired, so I investigated. He had registered the website to himself and locked me out of it. The business he was bragging about getting did not show in the books, but the company confirmed he had written the policies with them in his own name.</p>
<p>Like you, I dropped the shoe.</p>
<p>He, too, came on the recommendation of a friend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Aurelius Tjin</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3219</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurelius Tjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jim.

Hey Gabriel! Nice set of tips you got there. You're right about all of them. I'll be sure to go through a freelance site next time I hire a programmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jim.</p>
<p>Hey Gabriel! Nice set of tips you got there. You&#8217;re right about all of them. I&#8217;ll be sure to go through a freelance site next time I hire a programmer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Gabriel Aguinaga</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3125</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Aguinaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aurelius,

Ah, have I learned a few lessons about outsourcing
to programmers. 

#1. I ALWAYS use freelance sites and hire programmers
who have a good amount of projects completed and almost a perfect feedback score.

These programmers value their feedback and know that
if they don't deliver, you can ruin it for them, so
they'll try their best to keep you happy.

#2. NEVER leave your feedback until you are 100% sure
u r satisfied with the project.

#3. Even after I trust the programmers (because they 
have successfully completed projects for me)... I still
hire them thru the freelance site)

--&#62; If he starts giving excuses, you can almost always
cancel the project and get your money back. (I never
give any money up front)

#4. If you don't like how a programmer is working
out for you, fire him and leave an honest feedback.
(You'll save the next guy who tries to hire 
him a few headaches)

Hope this helps.

-Gabriel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aurelius,</p>
<p>Ah, have I learned a few lessons about outsourcing<br />
to programmers. </p>
<p>#1. I ALWAYS use freelance sites and hire programmers<br />
who have a good amount of projects completed and almost a perfect feedback score.</p>
<p>These programmers value their feedback and know that<br />
if they don&#8217;t deliver, you can ruin it for them, so<br />
they&#8217;ll try their best to keep you happy.</p>
<p>#2. NEVER leave your feedback until you are 100% sure<br />
u r satisfied with the project.</p>
<p>#3. Even after I trust the programmers (because they<br />
have successfully completed projects for me)&#8230; I still<br />
hire them thru the freelance site)</p>
<p>&#8211;&gt; If he starts giving excuses, you can almost always<br />
cancel the project and get your money back. (I never<br />
give any money up front)</p>
<p>#4. If you don&#8217;t like how a programmer is working<br />
out for you, fire him and leave an honest feedback.<br />
(You&#8217;ll save the next guy who tries to hire<br />
him a few headaches)</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>-Gabriel</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Jim</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lessons that I have learned.

1. Never give a huge project to someone you have no experience with. Give several small jobs first (even if you do need it but just to test their skill level)
2. Only pay for work done and delivered.
3. Have a non-disclosure contract that clearly states that all work done belongs to you exclusively 
4. Don't be shy about having a quick trigger finger to fire if work is not being done correctly.
5. If one is fired take their work (if salvageable) and give it to the next guy you hire and tell them what is wrong and to move forward. Rinse, Lather, Repeat if needed.
6. If work is some type of repeatable process.  Do it yourself first and document your every move.  Then give the person you hire the procedure along with what the finished process should look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lessons that I have learned.</p>
<p>1. Never give a huge project to someone you have no experience with. Give several small jobs first (even if you do need it but just to test their skill level)<br />
2. Only pay for work done and delivered.<br />
3. Have a non-disclosure contract that clearly states that all work done belongs to you exclusively<br />
4. Don&#8217;t be shy about having a quick trigger finger to fire if work is not being done correctly.<br />
5. If one is fired take their work (if salvageable) and give it to the next guy you hire and tell them what is wrong and to move forward. Rinse, Lather, Repeat if needed.<br />
6. If work is some type of repeatable process.  Do it yourself first and document your every move.  Then give the person you hire the procedure along with what the finished process should look like.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Jonclaude</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonclaude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if is go wrong but I have got so hard time with outsourcing people.
Now I take time  to write my project before I asked  anyone do anything for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if is go wrong but I have got so hard time with outsourcing people.<br />
Now I take time  to write my project before I asked  anyone do anything for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Aurelius Tjin</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3094</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurelius Tjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments!

It's good to see there are some programmers sharing their own experience in their perspective. 

I did try to communicate with the programmer via email and messenger but they did not respond.

I was getting curious Paul :) Thought I could hire you.

Thanks for your encouragement Rangarajan.

Hey Dirk! Yes, I know you've had experience with programmers before. Believe me, I've wasted a lot of money on several programmers who did not deliver. You're right about the ideas going to waste. I would've had a working software by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see there are some programmers sharing their own experience in their perspective. </p>
<p>I did try to communicate with the programmer via email and messenger but they did not respond.</p>
<p>I was getting curious Paul <img src='http://aureliustjin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thought I could hire you.</p>
<p>Thanks for your encouragement Rangarajan.</p>
<p>Hey Dirk! Yes, I know you&#8217;ve had experience with programmers before. Believe me, I&#8217;ve wasted a lot of money on several programmers who did not deliver. You&#8217;re right about the ideas going to waste. I would&#8217;ve had a working software by now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Paul</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3089</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for my communication qualities. I meant to write "With what you have learned, and your precise specs drawn up (if they're not clear, use the forums), you could try out the SP MarketPlace."  [feel free to edit/delete my posted incoherence].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for my communication qualities. I meant to write &#8220;With what you have learned, and your precise specs drawn up (if they&#8217;re not clear, use the forums), you could try out the SP MarketPlace.&#8221;  [feel free to edit/delete my posted incoherence].</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Dirk Wagner</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3085</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aurelius,

I know best how you feel. At the moment I have 3 programmers running on open projects which should be finished as they said after latest 2 months but for one of them I wait since February 2007, another one since April 2007 and the last one since February 2008.

The worst thing was that I apid 50% upfront  so I always hoped that they could go on with the projects even if it takes more time.

One of them I even offered a few hundreds dollar as bonus since he stated that the project became much bigger than epected but still no results I can see what they are doing.

It creates much headache to search for a good programmer and all the ideas you have in your mind will become worthless as soon as others launch a similar product.

Kind regards,

Dirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aurelius,</p>
<p>I know best how you feel. At the moment I have 3 programmers running on open projects which should be finished as they said after latest 2 months but for one of them I wait since February 2007, another one since April 2007 and the last one since February 2008.</p>
<p>The worst thing was that I apid 50% upfront  so I always hoped that they could go on with the projects even if it takes more time.</p>
<p>One of them I even offered a few hundreds dollar as bonus since he stated that the project became much bigger than epected but still no results I can see what they are doing.</p>
<p>It creates much headache to search for a good programmer and all the ideas you have in your mind will become worthless as soon as others launch a similar product.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Dirk</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Rangarajan Chakravarthi</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>Rangarajan Chakravarthi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aurelius,

It must have been very frustrating. But the way you have come out of the misery, with renewed determination, to device methods to prevent future mishaps is truly  a good lesson to all marketers.Thanks for sharing your experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aurelius,</p>
<p>It must have been very frustrating. But the way you have come out of the misery, with renewed determination, to device methods to prevent future mishaps is truly  a good lesson to all marketers.Thanks for sharing your experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Outsourcing Goes Wrong by Paul</title>
		<link>http://aureliustjin.com/when-outsourcing-goes-wrong#comment-3080</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With what you have learned, and your draw up your precise specs (or get clearer technical answers in the forums), then take a look at the MarketPlace section there.  It's pretty lively place where - judging by the vast technical forums - some of the best and most technically able coders are likely to lurk (IMHO). 
You can set your terms, demand to see and verify the portfolios also.  There's no escrow facility however - all is driven through Paypal.  
I design little PHP CMSs for site updates, but am not in the 'advanced developer' class, so I would not honestly offer my services.  Good luck in your search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With what you have learned, and your draw up your precise specs (or get clearer technical answers in the forums), then take a look at the MarketPlace section there.  It&#8217;s pretty lively place where - judging by the vast technical forums - some of the best and most technically able coders are likely to lurk (IMHO).<br />
You can set your terms, demand to see and verify the portfolios also.  There&#8217;s no escrow facility however - all is driven through Paypal.<br />
I design little PHP CMSs for site updates, but am not in the &#8216;advanced developer&#8217; class, so I would not honestly offer my services.  Good luck in your search.</p>
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